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  • From Union Operator to Business Owner: Overcoming Fear & Past Failures with Zach Taylor

    From Union Operator to Business Owner: Overcoming Fear & Past Failures with Zach Taylor
    2025/05/19
    Many equipment operators dream of starting their own excavation business, but often face big hurdles, like financial risk, the fear of past failures, and the heavy responsibility of safety on every job. Zach Taylor, a union operator who’s also building his own company, Melania Corporation, is tackling these challenges directly, driven by tough lessons from previous ventures and a powerful desire to prevent senseless tragedies in the trenches. Today, Zach shares the nitty gritty of balancing a union job with his growing side business, the candid reasons behind his push for #TrenchSafetyTuesday, and the mindset it takes to get back up after a setback. He gets into the importance of knowing your worth, the hard calls on what jobs to take, and the crucial need for real talk about the dangers that still exist in our industry, particularly in excavation. Download the FREE Step-by-Step Guide to Recruiting & Retaining the Best Workers: https://www.CONEXPOconagg.com/recruit 🎯 BIGGEST TAKEAWAY [0:29:17]: "You see this guy down there, like, looking up, holding the shovel, smiling. And they said five minutes later he was dead. And it just really pissed me off."Zach's raw emotion here highlights the preventable tragedies that fuel his commitment to trench safety. KEY EPISODE TAKEAWAYS: ✨ ENTREPRENEURIAL FIRE IGNITED [0:1:25]:"I was at a Trimble Dimensions in the fall and Dane from DC Excavation told me, and not so many colorful words that I should just go do it. So here we are."Sometimes it takes that outside push. Zach talks about that moment of deciding to go for it, moving past the fear and taking control of his future. 🔑 LESSON LEARNED THE HARD WAY [0:13:57]:"I was less calculated and more excited to move up to that next job...than really taking a step back and looking at it as a business owner and saying, ‘This is where we're at and this is the lane that we need to stay in.’"Zach shares how past excitement almost led to overextension, emphasizing the critical need to understand your company's real capacity and value. ⚠️ THE UNVARNISHED TRUTH ON RISK [0:29:35]:"How many times is this going to happen before, like, we do something about it? ...if you stop killing the ones you have, first of all, that's a good place to start, right?"A direct hit on the industry's all too common blind spots with trench safety. Ignoring these dangers isn't just negligent; it's costing lives. CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Building a Side Hustle in Excavation 02:16 - From Childhood Obsession to Career 03:35 - Challenges of Urban Excavation 05:02 - Balancing Work, Family, and Growth 07:40 - Overcoming Fear and Taking the Leap 11:50 - Hard Lessons from Early Business Mistakes 14:14 - Smarter Risk Management for Contractors 17:26 - When Business Partnerships Fall Apart 21:39 - Fatherhood and Flexible Scheduling 25:15 - Naming the Company After His Daughter 28:43 - Starting Trench Safety Tuesday 31:30 - Using Social Media to Drive Safety Awareness 36:08 - Innovations in Trench Safety Tech 38:34 - A Vision for National Safety Training 🔗 CONNECT WITH ZACH TAYLOR:• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_taylorthings/ • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zach-taylor-55391533/ Thank you to our good friends over at John Deere Power Systems for sponsoring this podcast: https://www.deere.ca/en/engines-and-drivetrain/ #TrenchSafetyTuesday #OperatorLife #SafetyFirst
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    40 分
  • Heavy Work, Smart Business: The Kurk Inc. Story

    Heavy Work, Smart Business: The Kurk Inc. Story
    2025/05/05
    Running a family construction business presents unique challenges, especially in demanding fields like concrete and excavation where attracting reliable talent is tough. Many companies struggle to blend tradition with the need for new technology and approaches to keep up. But Amanda Kurt, VP and Managing Partner at Kurk Inc., reveals how they've not only survived but thrived, expanding services and crews by tackling these issues head on. Therefore, learning from their experience offers a blueprint for building a resilient, profitable construction business that values both its people and its bottom line. Discover how Amanda navigates the complexities of managing a growing concrete and excavation workforce, integrating technology like GPS and total stations, and maintaining crucial boundaries in a family run operation. She shares the realities of the job, the strategies for finding young talent in a tight labor market, and the mindset needed for sustainable growth in today's construction world. Download the FREE Step-by-Step Guide to Recruiting & Retaining the Best Workers: https://www.CONEXPOconagg.com/recruit 🎯 BIGGEST TAKEAWAY [11:57]: "We don't shy away that it's physical and it's muddy because the worst thing I want is you to, you know, have this rosy picture of it and you show up and then you don't show up the next day." Hear Amanda discuss the crucial importance of transparency when hiring for physically demanding roles. KEY EPISODE TAKEAWAYS: ⚠️ LABOR REALITY CHECK [05:06]:"I mean, you have to keep feeding those concrete crews with younger people because it's just physically demanding."Face the tough truth: Concrete's physical toll means constantly finding new, younger talent is essential for long-term crewing. Ignoring this leads to burnout and shortages. Must-watch segment 👀 💡 PRECISION TECH PLAYBOOK [17:12]:"In concrete, we don't really use gps. We use a total station... because a lot of the concrete we're doing, we either need to be more accurate than GPS can give us... We use total station for everything on the concrete side and then we use GPS on the excavation side."Learn why choosing the right technology matters. 📈 SCALING FOR BIG WINS [21:11]:"We contracted... an eight building development... and it was just the amount of work. We couldn't do it with two crews. So we kind of remanned."See how securing a massive project forced Kurk Inc. to scale up by adding a new foundation crew, turning a capacity challenge into a major growth catalyst. Game-changing insight 🎯 CHAPTERS:00:00 - Amanda Kurt & Kurk Inc.02:52 - Business Evolution: Adding Excavation04:54 - Concrete Work: Physical Demands & Labor06:30 - Hiring Strategy & Mapping Career Paths08:30 - Tech Adoption: GPS vs. Total Station Use12:57 - Family Business: Working with Dad & Boundaries18:17 - Operations: Equipment Fleet & Crew Structure20:41 - Market Conditions & Scaling Up25:09 - Future Plans: Smart, Profitable Growth28:29 - Legacy, Next Gen & Work-Life Balance 🔗 CONNECT WITH AMANDA KURT & KURK INC.:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-kurt/• Website: https://kurkwisconsin.com/ Thank you to our good friends over at John Deere Power Systems for sponsoring this podcast: https://www.deere.ca/en/engines-and-drivetrain/ #ConstructionBusiness #FamilyBusiness #ConcreteContractor
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    31 分
  • Taylor Talks Burnout, Hiring, and Finding Your ‘Why

    Taylor Talks Burnout, Hiring, and Finding Your ‘Why
    2025/04/21
    Running a construction company might look like pure success, especially with events like CONEXPO approaching. But in this solo episode, Taylor answers your questions and gets real about the hidden, intense pressures involved: managing multiple businesses, constant travel, endless cash flow worries, and balancing family. He describes this demanding tightrope walk, familiar to many entrepreneurs, as being filled with anxiety and burnout risk, impacting both business and personal health. Handling this pressure, building a strong team, and maintaining drive are crucial for survival in the construction world. Taylor shares his unfiltered battles with "copious amounts of stress" and offers practical strategies for attracting young talent and fostering a resilient company culture, emphasizing how grit and knowing your core 'why' are essential anchors. 🚨 Heads up! CONEXPO-CON/AGG 2026 is less than a year away (March 3-7)! Mark your calendars. Tickets go on sale in August. Be sure to sign up for the newsletter for updates and discounts: https://www.conexpoconagg.com/subscribe 🎯 KEY EPISODE TAKEAWAYS: 🛑 Warning Signs [2:19] "I feel like lately, what has been going on is just copious amounts of stress... Alcohol is definitely not something to help with... I find that alcohol just kind of heightens my anxiety and heightens the stress with business." The intense pressure and very real anxiety of entrepreneurship often go unspoken and can take a physical toll; quick fixes or common coping mechanisms might actually make things worse. Taylor candidly discusses his struggles and the pitfalls of ignoring stress. 🧭 Your North Star [12:27] "You have to remind yourself of the ‘why’. And that's what ChatGPT was ultimately telling me this morning... 'Remember that you told me this is your why, Taylor. Now, really think about that every morning when you wake up. Like, why am I doing this?'" When faced with the inevitable sacrifices and high stress of building a business, understanding and constantly revisiting your fundamental reason 'why' provides essential resilience and motivation. Taylor reveals how crucial this clarity is. 🛠️ Building Your Path [21:04] "To me, hard work out-trumps talent every single day... if you truly want to make more, start doing more." In the construction trades and beyond, demonstrating proactive effort, taking ownership, and consistently putting in the hard work are far more impactful for career growth and earning potential than just having talent or waiting to be told what to do. CHAPTERS: 00:00 - CONEXPO Countdown 01:55 - Listener Questions: Stress, Growth, and Hiring 02:29 - Managing Stress as a Business Owner 04:43 - Reviving a Failing Business While Juggling Two Companies 05:52 - Health, Habits, and Burnout 07:25 - Balancing Family Life and Entrepreneurial Sacrifice 10:53 - Why Your ‘Why’ Matters 13:20 - Hiring Young Talent Through Social Media 16:05 - Career Growth: Promote From Within 20:41 - The Value of Hard Work and Attitude 22:28 - Handling Toxic Employees and Culture Building 25:14 - Final Thoughts on Stress, Sacrifice, Optimism, and CONEXPO 🔗 CONNECT WITH TAYLOR WHITE / KEN WHITE CONSTRUCTION: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/taylor-white-9881a5170/?originalSubdomain=ca Instagram: @kwc2000 CONEXPO-CON/AGG Newsletter: https://www.CONEXPOconagg.com/industry-news#sign-up #ConstructionBusiness #Entrepreneurship #CONEXPO
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    26 分
  • Dominate the Dirt Business Like John Seaman

    Dominate the Dirt Business Like John Seaman
    2025/04/07
    Feeling burnt out by client emotions in custom home building or struggling to navigate seasonal lulls and unexpected crises? John Seaman of JC Property Professionals joins Taylor to share his incredible journey from funding dirt bike habits with side jobs, through the demanding world of custom home building, to ultimately dominating complex dirt work and site development in North Carolina. Discover how he pivoted his business, built resilience, and learned to thrive by tackling the jobs others couldn't. Learn John's strategies for managing difficult projects on extreme terrain, diversifying revenue streams through strategic real estate development, and maintaining a strong company culture amidst high-stress situations. He offers a raw, firsthand account of leading his team through the chaos and devastation following Hurricane Helene – tackling logistical nightmares, unique billing challenges (insurance vs. private pay vs. FEMA), and the very human side of disaster recovery. Plus, gain crucial insights into the power of building your personal brand alongside your business brand in the trades. 🚨 Heads up! CONEXPO-CON/AGG 2026 is less than a year away (March 3-7)! Mark your calendars. Tickets go on sale in August. Be sure to sign up for the newsletter for updates and discounts: https://www.conexpoconagg.com/subscribe 🎯 BIGGEST TAKEAWAY [1:00:03]: "There is a difference between building a business brand and building a personal brand... no matter what you do and decide to do in business, the personal brand follows you everywhere. You know, I believe that people buy from people, not a business." ⚠️ WAKE-UP CALL [53:58]: Relying on government contracts post-disaster? Think again. "The county is going to tell you you're going to get paid when we get paid... storm happened in September. I know lots and lots and lots of guys who haven't been paid a dollar yet... That's why we weren't interested in using our resources to go and do the stuff that FEMA would have essentially be paying for and not know if or when we're ever going to get paid back." ✨ HIDDEN ADVANTAGE [57:48]: Leverage your core business to build your own assets. "I had this experience and I gained all this knowledge on how to do this development and I thought, man, this is stupid for me to keep putting all this money in everybody else's pocket. I'm just going to do this for myself... I get to use the dirt guys to go in and develop that site and then I get to use my construction guys to come in and build the homes." 💡 LEADERSHIP LESSON [1:03:33]: Stay grounded, even as you climb. "You have to wear multiple hats, but you can't have such a big head that your head won't fit back in the other hat... I grew up working right beside my dad doing whatever we could do, you know, and that's who I am." 🔗 CONNECT WITH JOHN: Official John Seaman Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/officialjohnseaman/?hl=en Official John Seaman YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@officialjohnseaman JC Property Professionals: https://www.jcpropertyprofessionals.com/
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    48 分
  • The Future of Welding and How to Be a Part of It with Demi Knight Clark

    The Future of Welding and How to Be a Part of It with Demi Knight Clark
    2025/03/24
    Frustrated by the lack of skilled tradespeople? Demi Knight Clark joins Taylor today to share strategies to attract the next generation to welding and manufacturing offering fresh and frank perspectives that will give you actionable recruiting strategies. Discover how to bridge the gap between outdated perceptions and the exciting possibilities of a trades career! Demi Knight Clark, shares her insights into attracting diverse talent pools and creating a modern, appealing image for the industry. Learn how to tap into untapped demographics, challenge conventional recruiting methods, and build a pipeline that ensures a thriving future for the trades. Her experience growing up with a ‘Rosie the Riveter’ as a grandmother, mixed with her technology background give her a unique perspective on the industry. Download the FREE Step-by-Step Guide to Recruiting & Retaining the Best Workers: https://www.conexpoconagg.com/recruit 🎯 BIGGEST TAKEAWAY [0:1:44]: "Let's stop talking about saying, ‘Oh, we need more trades.” Okay, how are you going to get it? Are you talking to 12 to 16 year olds that are pre-guidance counselors? Because if you're not, you need a strategy and then also to your career transitioners to get those butts in seats that you're looking for now." ⚠️ WAKE-UP CALL [0:13:33]: Struggling to find diverse candidates? "When the topic came up of like, ‘Hey, we want to see more women,’ it's like, ‘Well, where are you going? You're going to programs that have 29 out of 30 white males in that program. The one woman is getting fought over.’" Discover the untapped talent pools you're overlooking and start building a truly diverse workforce. ✨ HIDDEN ADVANTAGE [0:15:26]: Ready to modernize your recruiting strategy? "Right now in the US, these manufacturers, go support women's sports...you have a female audience that has a penchant to doing DIY work, wanting to learn, use their hands, do outdoorsy work and skills because they're sporty." See exactly why women's sports is a growing market you should target your marketing towards. 💡 LEADERSHIP LESSON [0:24:03]: Want to be a better leader? "You get in there and you be the ‘got it girl’ or the ‘got it guy’." Follow these steps to see growth in your leadership and management. CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Welding to the Moon: Introducing Demi Knight 01:59 - The Future of Welding: Recruiting the Next Generation 06:50 - She Built This City: Empowering Young Builders 08:32 - Recruiting Women vs. Recruiting Gen Z in Trades 12:21 - Where to Find Future Welders and Trade Workers 16:27 - Making Blue-Collar Careers More Attractive 21:06 - Creating Inclusive Work Environments in Construction 26:53 - Leadership Development: The Key to Workforce Growth 30:14 - How to Engage and Retain Young Workers 33:50 - Training for the Future: Fast-Track Welding Programs 35:09 - The Pride of Building: Why Blue-Collar Work Matters 🔗 CONNECT WITH DEMI: Website: https://www.demiknightclark.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/demiknightclark/ Linktree: https://linktr.ee/demiknightclark #Welding #SkilledTrades #GenZRecruiting
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    39 分
  • How To Create A Positive Construction Company Culture with Dan and Jenna Moon

    How To Create A Positive Construction Company Culture with Dan and Jenna Moon
    2025/03/10
    Struggling with employee turnover and work-life balance? Dan and Jenna Moon from Total Excavating and Grading join Taylor today to share their journey of taking over the business and building a thriving company! Together, they reveal practical leadership and restructuring secrets to create a family-first culture. Learn how to improve your team, skills, and find time for what really matters! Discover the key insights that transformed their company and how you can achieve business success without sacrificing everything else. Building a great business and a great life IS possible! 🎯 KEY EPISODE TAKEAWAYS: 💰 EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION [00:9:59]: "Our kids, they need to be very grateful for all of the employees that decide to show up for us because all of the things that we get...the trips, all of those pieces, it's because we have people that are willing to come work for us." Seriously, guys, this is gold. Hear how Dan and Jenna teach their kids to be grateful for the team. It's not just about the bottom line; it's about building a company where everyone feels valued. You can't fake this stuff, and it pays off in employee loyalty big time. 💡 SUPERINTENDENT STRUCTURE [00:19:26]: "Now we have superintendents that get assigned a job or a project...It's working out a lot better now that way. Before we had no one really specifically taking care of the project." Struggling to keep projects on track? Dan and Jenna found that putting supers in charge was a game-changer. This isn't just about micromanaging; it's about giving someone ownership and making sure those balls don't get dropped between the field and the office. Check out this system - could be a lifesaver. 🔑 LEADERSHIP EVOLUTION [00:22:41]: "I would get frustrated and basically scream and holler and call people names...I just finally realized that you don't get anywhere talking to people that way." Alright, gotta be honest – who hasn't lost their cool on the job site? Dan gets real about his evolution from screamer to, well, a better leader! This is a must-listen if you're looking to create a positive work environment. CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Dan and Jenna Moon 01:01 - What Total Excavating Does and Favorite Projects 03:04 - How They Took Over the Family Business 05:33 - Balancing Marriage, Family and Business Ownership 07:40 - Teaching Work Ethic, Gratitude and Leadership to Their Kids 12:34 - Raising Kids While Running a Growing Business 15:29 - Managing 60 Union Employees and Building Leadership Structure 19:05 - Role of Site Supers 21:47 - Dan’s Shift from Old-School Boss to Modern Leader 23:21 - Training Foremen to Lead — Why It Matters 26:08 - Using Extreme Ownership to Build Company Culture 27:48 - Adding Emotional Intelligence to Leadership Training 29:46 - Future Plans for Leadership and Employee Development 31:58 - In-House vs Outsourced Training 🔗 CONNECT WITH DAN and JENNA MOON: Total Excavating Website: https://totalexcavating.net/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/totalexcavatingandgrading/ Dan’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-moon-9869b6123/ Jenna’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenna-moon-5779b3123/ #ConstructionBusiness #FamilyBusiness #EmployeeRetention
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    34 分
  • Trey Bohannan on Mentorship & Legacy

    Trey Bohannan on Mentorship & Legacy
    2025/02/24
    Struggling to scale your excavation business? Trey Bohannan, President of Design One Contracting the most-viewed construction podcast guest of 2024, returns to reveal the exact steps he took to go from small residential jobs to landing major commercial projects – and how you can do it too. Trey shares his unfiltered, no-BS approach to growth, including the crucial "lucky phone call" that changed everything, how to navigate the pitfalls of commercial work, and why maintaining your core values is the ultimate key to success. Download the FREE Step-by-Step Guide to Recruiting & Retaining the Best Workers: https://www.conexpoconagg.com/recruit 🎯 KEY EPISODE TAKEAWAYS: ❌ REALITY CHECK [06:10]: "They need to have a little bit of capital built up, whether that being your grandma has $10,000 in the bank and can help you out, you know, whatever it takes to get there...if you’ve got any quit in you, you might as well go to Dollar General and just Stockbridge, because that's where you’re going to be the rest of your life." Trey lays down the hard truth about the financial cushion you must have to survive (and thrive) in the commercial excavation game – or face the consequences. 🚀 NEGOTIATION SECRETS [15:12]: "A lot of our jobs seem like the last five years are negotiated... They'll say, ‘Hey, we’ve got a budget.’ I'll say, ‘Hey, I want to get every bit of that.’" Learn Trey's powerful negotiation tactics for maximizing your profits on commercial projects and why GC relationships are your golden ticket to bigger deals. 🔑 TRUE SUCCESS [32:46]: "If you start a business and you run it for 10 years, 15 years, it changes you from who you were 15 years before…And if you ever act like you're better than somebody you have totally lost." Trey's insights regarding staying grounded, true success, and the most important thing to have to offer: being a good human being. CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Trey Bohannan: From TikTok to the Most Listened-to Podcast of 2024 01:07 - Turning Loss into Leadership 02:52 - The Most Common Questions Aspiring Excavators Ask 04:26 - Breaking into Commercial Construction 06:10 - The Financial Realities of Commercial vs. Residential Work 07:57 - Learning from Mistakes 09:20 - How to Handle Construction Change Orders & Get Paid on Time 10:49 - Why Trey Runs a 100% Commercial Business & How He Manages It 13:00 - Running Multiple Projects Smoothly 14:52 - Estimating Right 17:57 - Smart Growth 19:50 - Building a Lean, Versatile Crew for Maximum Efficiency 22:18 - Mentorship & Giving Back: Supporting the Next Generation 24:36 - Handling Financial Struggles 26:08 - Business Stress is Real 29:22 - The Power of Patience 33:12 - Staying Humble 34:54 - Work Hard, Play Hard 38:28 - Relationship Building 39:25 - Looking Ahead to Con Expo 2025 🔗 CONNECT WITH TREY: TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@treybodirt Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/treybodirt/ Threads: https://www.threads.net/@treybodirt Design One: https://www.design1landscaping.com/ #ConstructionPodcast #CommercialConstruction #ExcavationBusiness
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    41 分
  • The Secret Engineering Behind Everyday Machines with Andrew Schiller

    The Secret Engineering Behind Everyday Machines with Andrew Schiller
    2025/02/10
    Frustrated with outdated manufacturing processes? Discover how engineering expert Andrew Schiller of Utah Tech University is revolutionizing how students and professionals think about design, automation, and the future of construction. Andrew reveals that engineering isn't just about calculations, you get to see real world applications of everything from start to finish. Download the FREE Step-by-Step Guide to Recruiting & Retaining the Best Workers: https://www.conexpoconagg.com/recruit 🎯 BIGGEST TAKEAWAY [16:02]: "There's a really cool company right now called Toolpath Labs and they have an AI tool...you can load a 3D model in there and it will tell you ‘you can machine this’ or ‘you can't machine this’...So I was using it the other week and took what would probably be 45, 50 minutes of work and made it 5 minutes." Watch how AI is transforming even the most complex manufacturing processes, saving time and boosting efficiency. 🎯 KEY EPISODE TAKEAWAYS: ✨ INDUSTRY GAME-CHANGER [07:29]: "There are some Tesla models that have a front and a rear frame component that's a die cast aluminum part, but it's huge...and they can make very large single piece castings. And I believe it's in the back of the Model S, they're using this die casting for the rear of the frame and they're replacing something like 320 individual parts with a single casting." See how groundbreaking manufacturing innovations are not just for Tesla – they're impacting the entire heavy equipment industry, leading to greater efficiency and affordability. ⚠️ AI DISRUPTION ALERT [14:08]: "The people who are currently most concerned about AI are generally the people who do a lot of writing... I have students submit stuff that's purely written by AI sometimes...But that is a huge question. How is AI changing both education on my end and then for a company like Caterpillar or an equipment manufacturer, or even for you for what you do?" Learn how AI's rapidly evolving capabilities are forcing a rethink of traditional roles and skills, and why embracing (not fearing) the change is crucial. ⚡ REAL-WORLD APPLICATION [26:55]: "My motive in doing that is part of what we've been talking about. Students have a somewhat limited understanding of ‘here's what it would look like to be an engineer’....So my hope in doing that and really goal was to expose students to these companies and this equipment and say, “Hey, this is the kind of place you could work for.”" Andrew takes his students to CONEXPO-CON/AGG to expose them to real-world applications of everything that they are learning. CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Engineering Meets Real-World Manufacturing 01:09 - From Idea to Production 02:48 - Trends in Engineering Students 06:11 - Tesla’s Game-Changing Manufacturing Innovations 08:51 - Inside Caterpillar 09:19 - Engineering Starters & Alternators for Large Equipment 12:06 - Robotic Assembly 13:50 - The Complexity Behind Engine Control Modules 14:06 - AI in Manufacturing 18:06 - Autonomous Machinery and 3D-Printed Foundations 20:14 - AI's Role in Construction 22:06 - How Students & Businesses Are Embracing AI 26:46 - Engineering Careers That Truly Make an Impact 26:56 - Taking Students to CONEXPO-CON/AGG 28:38 - The Hidden Engineering Behind Everyday Machinery 29:54 - Extreme Conditions 30:23 - The Importance of Showcasing Engineering in Construction 🔗 CONNECT WITH ANDREW: Andrew.Schiller@utahtech.edu Utah Tech University
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    31 分