Do we have what it takes to change our ways to ones that work with, rather than against, life?

In this episode, I speak with Giles Hutchins. Giles is a leading voice in regenerative leadership and business transformation. With 30 years of experience—including roles as Head of Transformation at KPMG and Global Sustainability Director at Atos—he now focuses on guiding leaders and organizations toward more resilient, nature-inspired ways of working. He’s the author of books like The Illusion of Separation and Leading by Nature, and his new book is called Nature Works: Activating Regenerative Leadership Consciousness. Giles's work explores how businesses can move beyond outdated models to embrace a regenerative future. We discuss:

🥥 What it takes to lead in a world of complexity and change;

🥥 How the current mechanistic paradigm can at best help us cope with what is coming, what has already happened, and maybe not even help us cope for much longer;

🥥 How dynergy is a tension and conflict holds creative energy, which allows for emergence to come through;

🥥 Nature as natura naturans, the enabling process of becoming, not Nature as "out there."

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How might we weave stories together as a response to ecological breakdown, using sound to connect to place?

In this episode, I speak with Mike Edwards. Mike began his career researching climate change in the Southwest Pacific, where his work—cited by the IPCC—was among the first to explore ecocolonialism: how climate discourse is manipulated by the powerful to control those most affected. His research challenged dominant narratives, sparking debate among those reluctant to rethink the status quo. In 2015, he co-founded Sound Matters, pioneering work in sonic rewilding, regenerative soundscaping, and Integral Listening (IL). His book Soundscapes of Life is set for release in 2025. Beyond sound, Mike has been a Climate Change Advisor to The Elders Foundation, working with leaders like Kofi Annan and President Jimmy Carter ahead of COP21. He has lectured worldwide, led the Arts and Ecology programme at Dartington Arts, and founded InnerDigenous, a movement helping people reconnect with self and place for personal and planetary healing. We discuss:

🥥 How knowledge is co-created by place and when it travels, brings place with it;

🥥 How soundscapes are the stories of many, which force us to attend differently;

🥥 How we are not interconnected, because that might suggested we can become disconnected, rather, we are all entangled and vibrating, sometimes, if we are lucky, at the same frequencies.

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Check out www.sound-matters.com

What happens when the way we see ourselves changes the way we see the world?

In this episode, I speak with Steffi Bednarek. Steffi’s work explores the intersection of climate change, complexity thinking, and the human psyche. She is the Director of the Center for Climate Psychology. With over 25 years of experience in depth psychology, trauma-informed practice, complexity thinking, and climate psychology, she supports individuals and organisations in navigating the psychological impacts of the metacrisis while fostering resilience and healthy cultures. She is the author of Climate, Psychology, and Change, described as “a work of wisdom and radical ideas” by Satish Kumar and endorsed by Fritjof Capra, Bill McKibben, and Nora Bateson. We discuss:

🥥 How our identities might shift in different ways depending on how we draw the boundaries, which changes our resonance with/as the world;

🥥 How silencing others because they do not agree with us is not the solution to creating spaces for understanding;

🥥 Our (in-)capacities to manage the inundation of information that comes our way, and how we might better adapt so as to flourish at best and avoid trauma at minimum.

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And check out the Center for Climate Psychology: https://climate-psychology-change.squarespace.com/