Join Alex and Michael with special guest Sébastien Chopin, creator of Nuxt.js and CEO of NuxtLabs, to learn more about the origins and evolution of the Vue-based meta framework. Sébastien shares valuable lessons from open source, how he came to create Nuxt.js in the first place and which challenges came with it.

In the second part of the episode, they cover Sébastien's company NuxtLabs - from its inception over to taking Venture Capital and products, such as NuxtHub or Nuxt UI Pro.

Eventually, the NuxtLabs CEO also outlines how they handle sponsorships of maintainers, and what the future holds for Nuxt and NuxtLabs.

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Our Guest

Sébastien Chopin

• NuxtLabs
• Nuxt
• Personal Website
• Bluesky

Chapters

• (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
• (01:16) - How did you get into programming?
• (04:45) - The birth of Nuxt.js
• (07:43) - The Elevator Pitch for Nuxt
• (10:16) - When not to use Nuxt
• (11:20) - Nuxt as Multi Bundler Framework
• (12:37) - How does Nuxt scale (in Enterprise)?
• (16:04) - Lessons Learned from building Nuxt
• (19:47) - How to compare frameworks fairly?
• (23:20) - Frameworks converging
• (24:22) - Nuxt.js supporting React?
• (29:06) - The creation of NuxtLabs
• (33:50) - Products of NuxtLabs
• (37:11) - Why going all in on Cloudflare for NuxtHub
• (41:50) - Vite Environment API
• (45:34) - The difference between Nuxt and NuxtLabs
• (51:56) - Is Nuxt a VC-backed framework?
• (53:51) - Sponsoring Core Maintainers
• (56:07) - Freemium in Nuxt
• (57:06) - Sneak Peek of the NuxtLabs Roadmap
• (59:51) - Where can people find you?

Links and Resources

• Nuxt
• Intro to Nuxt Layers
• Nitro
• Reactivue
• inclusion-vapor
• DejaVue #E044 - Our Predictions for Vue and Nuxt in 2025 (with Daniel Roe)
• Volta
• Nuxt UI *
• Nuxt Governance
• Nuxt Studio
• NuxtHub
• Laravel Vapor
• Cloudflare
• DejaVue #E051 - Vite Inside Out (with Matias "Patak" Capeletto)
• Strapi

Your Hosts

Michael Thiessen

• Twitter
• YouTube
• Website

Alexander Lichter

• Bluesky
• YouTube
• Website

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In this episode of DejaVue, Michael and Alex chat with Matt Perry, the creator of Motion (formerly Framer Motion), about animations in web development.
Matt talks about his journey from designing gaming magazines as a kid to becoming a full-time developer, sharing his experiences with ActionScript, jQuery, and how Motion was born. They discuss how simple and powerful Motion's API is, its ability to work with different frameworks, and how it stacks up against other animation libraries like GSAP and AnimeJS.

But the episode also covers a lot of open source aspects, such as the challenges of keeping Motion going!
Matt explains how Motion+ funds the development of Motion with one-time payments and time-gated (then publicly available) content, to support the project.

Enjoy the episode!

Our Guest

Matt Perry

• Motion
• Personal Website
• Bluesky
• Twitter

Chapters

• (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
• (01:20) - How did you get into programming?
• (05:18) - Adobe ActionScript
• (08:33) - What is Motion (fka. Framer Motion)?
• (12:21) - APIs and Limitations
• (16:54) - Prerequisites for using Tools
• (24:26) - The jQuery of web animations
• (26:37) - The birth of Motion
• (31:02) - Motion for Vue
• (32:40) - Other "Motion for ..." adaptations?
• (34:36) - Funding the project - Motion+
• (40:00) - One-time Payment and Time-gating
• (50:39) - Thoughts on other ways of monetizing Motion
• (52:43) - Can AI replace animation libraries?
• (57:41) - The difference between Motion and other libraries
• (01:01:04) - Closing Thoughts

Links and Resources

• ActionScript
• ECMAScript
• Popmotion
• Motion
• Motion Vue
• Rick (Motion Vue maintainer)
• Framer
• DejaVue #054 - Open Source Sustainability (with Daniel Roe, Chad Whitacre & Rijk van Zanten)
• GSAP
• AnimeJS

Your Hosts

Michael Thiessen

• Twitter
• YouTube
• Website

Alexander Lichter

• Bluesky
• YouTube
• Website

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In this episode of DejaVue, Alex and Michael are joined by Jared Wilcurt, UI architect and open source contributor, to get knee-deep into the world of testing in Vue.js, especially Snapshot Testing.

Jared shares his journey from React frustration to Vue enthusiasm, and explains how he identified gaps in Vue's testing ecosystem that led to the creation of his Vue 3 Snapshot Serializer library.
No matter if you are a testing novice, wondering why you should bother with tests at all, or an experienced developer looking to improve your snapshot testing workflow, this episode got something for you - from reducing test noise, improving readability, and gaining confidence in your Vue applications and components.

Discover how snapshot testing complements traditional assertion-based tests and why it might be the missing piece in your testing strategy.

Enjoy the episode!

Our Guest

The Jared Wilcurt

• Vue 3 Snapshot Serializer
• Website
• Bluesky
• Twitter

Chapters

• (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
• (00:20) - How did you get into Programming?
• (05:20) - Learning Vue
• (09:46) - Finding gaps in the ecosystem
• (12:40) - What is unit testing?
• (21:40) - Testing in the frontend
• (25:31) - Snapshot Testing
• (29:45) - Snapshot Updating Fatigue
• (36:09) - Responsibilities & ROI of a Snapshot Test
• (42:46) - Using the Snapshot Serializer
• (46:40) - Snapshot vs. Visual Regression Testing
• (52:57) - A good tip from Daniel Roe
• (53:50) - Further Noise Reduction
• (01:01:22) - A tighter integration?
• (01:05:11) - Wrapping up

Links and Resources

• Riot JS
• Vue Indy Meetup
• Vue Doxen
• Old Jest Snapshot Serializer
• Vue Test Utils
• Testing Library Vue
• Playwright
• Vue 3 Snapshot Serializer
• DejaVue #E043 - The Year in ReVue (with Daniel Roe)

Your Hosts

Michael Thiessen

• Twitter
• YouTube
• Website

Alexander Lichter

• Bluesky
• YouTube
• Website

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