In Episode 19 of Flow State Podcast, Harry sits down with renowned chef, restaurateur, and TV personality Bobby Flay for a dynamic conversation about food, life, and creative passion. They explore the idea of learning as a lifelong pursuit, with Bobby sharing how his culinary journey began growing up in New York City and what led him to become one of the most iconic chefs in the world. Of course, no discussion of NYC is complete without talking pizza—is it really the best? They also chat about Bobby’s newest cookbook, Bobby Flay: Chapter One, which hits bookstores on October 29th. Harry wraps up the episode in classic Flow State style, freestyling with four words thrown in by Bobby himself. Australia and New Zealand Odyssey Tour Tickets Now Available: https://harrymackofficial.com/shows ---- SHOW NOTES Bobby Flay: Chapter One https://bookshop.org/a/102858/9780385345958 Keith Haring https://www.haring.com/ David Chang - Chef and Founder of Momofuku https://www.instagram.com/davidchang Joe’s Pizza https://www.joespizzanyc.com/ L’industrie Pizzeria https://www.lindustriebk.com/home Razza https://razzanj.com/ Amalfi by Bobby Flay https://www.caesars.com/caesars-palace/restaurants/amalfi Beat Bobby Flay https://www.foodnetwork.com/shows/beat-bobby-flay Guru Jazzmatazz https://open.spotify.com/album/4kO7EI4XxT5M0BMkrx0mBh?si=Pc5KTIZpRNmTpIVFEA9VNg The Bear https://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/the-bear Bobby at Home https://bookshop.org/a/102858/9780385345910 Sundays with Sophie https://bookshop.org/a/102858/9780593232408 Triple Threat https://www.foodnetwork.com/shows/bobbys-triple-threat ---- WANT TO BE A SPONSOR? partnerships@harrymackofficial.com FOLLOW ME ON SOCIALS: TikTok: http://tiktok.com/@harrymackofficial Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/harrymack Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/harrymack Twitch: https://twitch.tv/harrymackofficial Twitter: https://twitter.com/harrymack ---- Timestamps 00:00:00 Intro 00:01:11 Why Bobby is Inspired By what Harry does 00:08:01 Learning Through Life 00:12:16 What drew Bobby to cooking? 00:14:35 Formal education in culinary 00:17:18 Cooking on TV 00:19:05 Skill fluctuation 00:23:51 Improving cooking capabilities 00:26:38 The New York Slice 00:28:43 Self-reinvention 00:33:52 Social Media and the Culinary World 00:37:51 Looking for the Holes in Your Success 00:40:34 The Bear 00:45:49 Bobby’s Daughter As A Chef 00:47:44 Vocational Education 00:49:25 Bobby Flay: Chapter One 00:51:54 Shocking Flavor Combinations 00:53:27 Closing Freestyle

In Episode 18 of Flow State Podcast, Harry dives deep into the art of rediscovering a sense of play in music and how it can reinvigorate creativity. He breaks down the essential hip-hop albums that every new listener should experience, shares his go-to exercises for improving free association skills and offers advice on how to stick to mindfulness routines even when it feels like a struggle. After reacting to a fan-submitted freestyle and reliving his epic 2022 jam session with the legendary Beardyman, Harry wraps up the episode with a freestyle recap, weaving together the key moments of the show with his signature bars.

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SHOW NOTES

Dunning-Kruger Effect

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/basics/dunning-kruger-effect

**Harry’s Influential Albums List**

Nas - Illmatic https://open.spotify.com/album/3kEtdS2pH6hKcMU9Wioob1?si=-Sv0xJKfRj2OrFUzFJWIfw

A Tribe Called Quest

The Low End Theory

https://open.spotify.com/album/1p12OAWwudgMqfMzjMvl2a?si=2JWU4dN9Stii-PlLhKR5lA

Midnight Marauders

https://open.spotify.com/album/4v5x3Oo3UjQ9YmF3hRAip5?si=GSkjuxIYRcqDCJydUVC_vQ

Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)

https://open.spotify.com/album/3tQd5mwBtVyxCoEo4htGAV?si=2-JDNs4cQhKpN8k5Xmt5sA

Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full

https://open.spotify.com/album/3miZDfDnP7SmOXAJXWdFmz

Kendrick Lamar

To Pimp a Butterfly

https://open.spotify.com/album/7ycBtnsMtyVbbwTfJwRjSP?si=wXOoDbIGQTOPR828tk20xw

good kid, m.A.A.d city

https://open.spotify.com/album/748dZDqSZy6aPXKcI9H80u?si=jY3yhadIQqOGt8T600CuYw

Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill

https://open.spotify.com/album/1BZoqf8Zje5nGdwZhOjAtD?si=kbmcA7yMRuCr9dw53EJHYw

The Fugees - The Score

https://open.spotify.com/album/18XFe4CPBgVezXkxZP6rTb?si=Bk34i5DeRwSev7Hk_0bfuw

**Harry Mack x Beardyman | None Of This Was Planned**

https://youtu.be/MUFdWM69bDM?si=yIPE8ED02QJ-vfnh

Beardyman

https://www.beardyman.co.uk/ -----

00:00:00 Introduction

00:01:54 Playing Around with Music

00:15:46 Question 1: How do you overcome challenges with mindfulness and sticking to your daily morning pages?

00:29:42 Question 2: What are some essential albums that someone should listen to If they’re new to hip-hop?

00:40:56 Question 3: Have you freestyled to odd time signatures?

00:51:47 Question 4: Do you know of any ways to train free association skills for rapping?

00:57:56 Fan Freestyle Submission

01:05:18 Harry Reacts to Harry - Beardyman session

01:23:55 Closing Freestyle

Harry welcomes legendary skateboarder Tony Hawk to the studio for Episode 17 of Flow State Podcast. Harry and Tony talk about when it’s ok to skateboard through an international airport, going pro at age 14, and choosing between skateboarding and music. Harry geeks out about playing Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 1 on N64 as a kid and Tony talks about how The 900 made it into the game with moments to spare. After reflecting on a life and legacy in the evolving sport of skateboarding, Harry recaps the episode in freestyle with a few of Tony’s suggestions thrown in… Australia and New Zealand Odyssey Tour Tickets Now Available: https://www.rabbitgroup.com/tours/harry-mack#tours ---- SHOW NOTES Airport Skating https://x.com/tonyhawk Glossary of Skateboarding Terms https://www.masterclass.com/articles/guide-to-skate-lingo Hawk Interview - Thrasher Magazine, May 1985 https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/may-1985/ Dogtown and Z-Boys https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0275309/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogtown_and_Z-Boys Original Zypher Team Photo: Glen E. Friedman Tony Hawk goes pro at 14 | Handplant https://www.tonyhawk.com/media Eddie Elguera https://www.elguera.com/ Eddie Elguera | Elguerial - Del Mar Hester Series 1979 Photo: William Sharp Birdhouse Skateboards "The End" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOsGMM2H1WA Tony Hawk | The Loop Photo: Atiba Jefferson Gang of Four Photo: Adrian Boot First 900 | X Games 1999 https://youtu.be/4YYTNkAdDD8?si=m5N7TgECC8uPc6tL First 720 | Eurocana Skate Camp - Hagernas, Sweden 1985 http://facebook.com/TonyHawk Andy Anderson | Dream Trick https://www.youtube.com/@berrics “Do A Kickflip!” | The Berrics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob0dI05Xz8s Burnside Skatepark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnside_Skatepark Rodney Mullen | Ollie Impossible - Oceanside 1986 https://www.youtube.com/@80sFreestyle The Skatepark Project https://skatepark.org/ -----

Timestamps 00:00:00 Intro 00:03:25 Skateboarding Around Town and In Airports 00:05:33 Back to the Beginning 00:07:58 Tony Defines His Own Style 00:09:37 Competitions and Going Pro at 14 00:19:08 Skating Hero Did One of Tony’s Tricks 00:22:00 The Loop 00:24:05 Getting in the Flow State 00:26:09 Tony Hawk’s Pro Skate 00:27:43 Improvisation vs Planning 00:31:06 Pre-Skating Routines 00:33:35 Landing the 900 00:38:43 Skate Combos in Real Life 00:43:10 Choosing Skating Over the Violin 00:46:25 A New Era of Skating 00:50:35 Fatherhood 00:52:12 The Skatepark Project 00:53:52 Do What You Love 00:56:27 Closing Freestyle