In this episode we interview Hala Saleh. Hala is a skilled and thoughtful product leader who I met by coincidence over 10 years ago while reading a copy of the Lean Startup book.

We catch up and discuss how the term Minimum Viable Product or MVP has evolved since then and how lean startup principles can be applied outside of the digital product space to things like communities.

Hala shares her journey through various roles in tech over the years while emphasizing the need for testing and customer feedback.

I really appreciate her thought process on how she tackles problems in different industries.

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In this episode we interview Dr. Michael Neal. He is the Founder of Build My Team, a hiring service for private practices.

We explore the rigorous testing of his innovative hiring process. From the initial missteps to the breakthrough system that accurately matches the candidates' natural strengths with the job requirements.

In our conversation I learned about psychometric assessments, and the surprising insights that Dr Michael gained along the way.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in improving their hiring practices through data-driven testing and iteration.

In this episode we interview Alberto Savoia. Alberto was Google’s first Engineering Director and the author of The Right It - Why So Many Ideas Fail and How to Make Sure Yours Succeed.

He also coined the term “pretotyping” and has influenced my thinking over the years. In a previous episode we interviewed Pat Copeland, who authored a white paper with Alberto many years ago.

You may not know this, but I quoted Alberto in the Testing Business Ideas book for his Pretend to Own experiment.

Over the course of this episode we discussed the evolution of testing and in general, geeked out over testing as two of the premier minds on this subject.