Our guest today is an amazing human being. His name is Shane Claiborne. Shane founded The Simple Way, which is a community in, North Philly, and he's going to tell a little bit of that story in the podcast today. Shane founded Simple Homes, an effort to put folks, into an affordable house in that neighborhood, as well as Raw Tools, a project where they literally melt down guns and turn them into tools for for nurturing life instead of, weapons that can take life. Shane is the author of a whole host of books including Jesus for President, Red Letter Revolution, Common Prayer, Follow Me to Freedom, Jesus, Bombs and Ice Cream, Becoming the Answer to Our Prayers, Executing Grace, his classic The Irresistible Revolution, Beating Guns, and his newest book, Rethinking Life,

Michael is the director of Fresh Expressions for the United Methodist Church, and Fresh Expressions is a movement of new church starts and nontraditional church ministries outside of the walls of a church. He is a church planter and also directs Fresh Expressions for Florida and fresh Expressions house of Studies. Michael leads a number of churches in Ocala, Florida, including plants in a burrito bar, a dog park, a tattoo parlor, and a sober living recovery house. And, in our conversation, Michael talks about his own story, how he came to experience the love of God and what it means to put that into practice working with folks in addiction recovery, working with folks across theological spectrums and backgrounds.