In this episode, we spoke to Rachel, who lives in Norfolk and runs a manufacturing business, as well as working in financial coaching. A busy person, Rachel's main goal in life is to find ways to chill out and enjoy herself more and work less!

We spoke to Rachel about being a mum to two rainbow babies who are now teenagers and an angel baby. And the complicatedness of that, along with all the love, grief, humor, and tears that goes with it.

We talked about the importance of laughter, of dark humor, communicating and honesty, and we laughed a lot.

This episode covers stillbirth, miscarriage, and grief extensively. So if that's not for you right now, please pass on this. Some of the links below may be useful.

The photo we talk about in the episode: Rachel's two daughters at Amy's grave
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13cVsw4e8bLRnaoLyQSKtIa0HRa7GVzzH/view?usp=sharing

Baby Loss Awareness Week
https://www.miscarriageassociation.org.uk/get-involved/raising-awareness/babyloss-awareness-week/

Baby Loss awareness
https://babyloss-awareness.org/

SANDS
https://www.sands.org.uk/blaw

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Berenice Howard Smith is an artist, self employed designer and creative. She's also co-founder of The Full Stop, an award-winning podcast and online community for people who are childless not by choice. She's not a parent.

Berenice's Design Business Hello Lovely:
https://hellolovely.design/
The Full Stop: Podcast and COmmunity founded by THREE NAMES
https://www.thefullstoppod.com/

Further info and background to our conversation
Bourne Hall: IVF clinic in the UK founded in 1980
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourn_Hall_Clinic
Fertility Matters
https://fertilitymattersatwork.com/
Gateway Women
https://gateway-women.com/
World Childless Week
https://worldchildlessweek.net/
Bibi Lynch's talk at Fertility Fest about being tired
https://bibilynch.com/blog/fertility-fest/
Citizens - John Alexander
https://www.jonalexander.net/
JD Vance's comments about Childless Cat Ladies https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c147yn4xxx4o

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We're launching on 27th November 2024!!!

"So, do you have kids?"

Welcome to It's a Bit More Complicated Than That, where we are listening to all the fascinating, sad, joyful, messy answers that follow this question!

We're Dannie-Lu Carr and Rebecca Tully, a non-parent and parent respectively, but - 'it's a bit more complicated than that'. And that's the same for pretty much every one of our guests.

Every episode, we ask one guest whether they're a parent or not, whether it's a bit more complicated than that, and a few other questions about their journey. And we see where it goes!

And to finish, we give them a magic wand and ask if there's anything they'd change about society if they could.

We're launching on 27th November 2024!!!
Please - listen to the trailer, share, follow, subscribe and ALL THE THINGS!

- a podcast exploring the nuances of parenthood and non-parenthood in modern Britain.

Nearly 15 million Britons are navigating life without children—whether by choice, infertility, or circumstance. And within parents’ stories, so much is often unsaid - complexities of step-parenting, challenges and joys in families managing disability, and the many and varied experiences life has thrown. Through candid conversations and authentic storytelling, we're creating a space where these often-unspoken truths can be shared and understood.

Thank you for listening!

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