We are at a pivot point in life right now. The purpose of the conversation is to get messy together around the topics of race and success, race and spirituality, as well as race and money.

This is an ongoing conversation with Srikala and Jesse on one of the most sensitive, nuanced, and important subjects: systemic racism and how we show up as spiritual leaders of all skin colors inside this conversation.

In this episode of the Podcast, Jesse sits down with husband Srikala to discuss spirituality, race, justice, and our fluctuating definitions of success as individuals. Topics include The paradox of feeling good in your personal life while feeling pain for the world, the role of rebellion in transformation, the role of self-development in participation, and, ultimately, how spirituality and the soul plays into genuine change for the world.

[3:12] How do we show up for Black Lives Matter?

[7:46] As a black man in America, how do you relate?

[8:58] Is it edgy, as a black man, to acknowledge that you’re not suffering?

[32:00] How did you define success as a child and how were you wrong?

[34:28] How did your definition of success change?

[38:29] How did skateboarding lead to a spiritual transformation?

[47:20] What type of action/protest works?

[1:06:17] What would it be like to release your concept of privilege?