What makes someone give up one dream to chase another?

In this episode, Ollie Lawrence shares how he left behind a promising football future to go all-in on rugby—and went pro at just 16. He talks about the pressure of making that decision, and how his childhood heroes helped shape his playing style.

We get into what it really takes to play centre at the highest level—plus the lesser-known skills that separate the good from the great. Ollie breaks down the advice that stuck with him, how he bounced back from injury, and what his matchday prep looks like, from nutrition to mental mantras.

There’s also chat about Finn Russell, the best opponents Ollie’s ever faced, and a behind-the-scenes look at what it’s like living the pro rugby lifestyle.

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What does it take to win a World Cup—not just as a player, but as the coach leading your country to victory?

In this episode of Rugby Legends, Arthur interviews Sir Clive Woodward, the coach who led England to glory in 2003. But this isn’t just about lifting trophies. It’s about the mindset behind it all. The mistakes, the habits, the leadership—and the importance of never settling for average.

Sir Clive explains how he spots potential in young players, how he teaches teams to bounce back from setbacks, and what makes a great captain. He shares moments from his playing career and how that shaped him into the coach he became. He even breaks down how to stay calm under pressure, how to keep improving when you think you’ve “made it,” and why character off the pitch matters just as much as skill on it.

If you’re 12–16 and serious about rugby, sport, or just growing as a person—this episode is full of lessons you’ll want to remember.

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Arthur Dickins sits down with one of the biggest minds in rugby—Steve Borthwick, England head coach and former international captain. From his early playing days to standing at the front of the national team, Steve shares the lessons that made him who he is.

In this episode, Steve compares coaching to playing, and which one really pushed him more. He talks about how he picked his position, how to handle nerves before a game, and the right way to bounce back after a performance you’re not proud of. He also shares what makes a good team great—and how to pick a captain you can trust.

Whether you’re new to rugby or already training hard, this episode gives you real advice from one of the best. You’ll hear about the toughest opponents he ever faced, what it’s like being in charge of elite players, and the moment that made him proudest of all.

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