James Shanahan, Director of Rugby at Blackheath Rugby Club, shares his rugby journey and the challenges faced by the club. The club has ambitions to reach the Championship but is currently focused on being a top-four National One club. The landscape of rugby in England, particularly in the Championship, is uncertain due to financial constraints and the RFU's proposed funding. Blackheath has a diverse player pool and relies on recruitment and loan players to strengthen the squad. The club also supports players with job opportunities outside of rugby. The conversation covers various topics related to rugby coaching and player development. The main themes include the level of play in national leagues, player scouting and recruitment, coaching methods and progress, the unique challenges of coaching Cambridge University, and the experience of playing rugby in Italy. The conversation also touches on the best players the host has played with and against.

Joe Batley, a pro rugby player, shares his inspiring journey from battling cancer to returning to the game. He discusses the support he received, his approach to training, and the impact of fatherhood on his perspective. The conversation covers the challenges of returning to professional rugby after a cancer diagnosis, the impact of injuries on a player's career, the structure and sustainability of the English rugby divisions, and the future of the Premiership and Championship leagues. It also delves into the potential solutions for closing the gap between the Premiership and Championship, as well as the fate of players from teams that have gone under. The conversation covers topics such as player transitions, rugby coaching, life experiences, cancer charity involvement, personal aspirations, and playing experiences. It also delves into the challenges and opportunities in professional rugby, as well as the potential for international recognition and future career prospects.

Kiano Fourie, a high performance coach for Rugby India, shares his journey from South Africa to India and discusses the development of rugby in India, the challenges, and the future goals for the sport. The conversation covers the growth and development of rugby in India, including the challenges and opportunities faced by the sport. It also explores the potential for professionalization and the regional structure of the game. The conversation delves into the geographical and logistical aspects of rugby in India, as well as the potential for a franchise-based model similar to the IPL in cricket.