Nancy and Sarah are stumbling into land mines — quickly! — in this episode, where a convo about Jennifer Love Hewitt’s recent turn in the spotlight proves the ladies don’t even agree on that. It’s hard to talk about women and their bodies: Fat vs. curvy, skinny vs. anorexic, body positive vs. morbidly obese, Ozempic-face vs. mom-bod, Lena Dunham vs. #SkinnyTok. How the ladies discuss these subjects may offend some people (warning: a lot of boob talk), but maybe it’s time to stop taking such easy offense on a vital and complicated subject. As Sarah says, “It’s a weird time to have a body.”

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In the second half of the show, we ask: Will the Epstein story be what splits MAGA?

Also discussed:

* A plague of mosquitos!

* Sarah is a sensitive flower; Nancy is pigeon-toed

* Love for The Dumb Zone

* How is Lena Dunham like Woody Allen?

* Sarah’s “absolute milk sheds”

* The miracle of “nursing boobs”

* “We have all these conversations about guys and their dicks” (???)

* Liv Schmidt, a 23-year-old influencer who looks exactly like you assume

* Shame, the most powerful motivator

* The getting-our-period anecdotes no one wanted to hear

* Respect: Nancy’s dad loved Helen Mirren

* Props to Tina Brown

* Stalin: hot or not?

* A moral telling of a tragic story

Plus, true-crime talk, coming around on Ozempic, the time Sarah flashed an 80-year-old at Oktoberfest, and much more!

Eli Lake, host of the Breaking History podcast, loves America. But what does that mean? We discuss the long unfinished experiment of our country, and the fashionable anti-semitism that’s swept colleges/the youngs, or as Eli calls them, “barista socialists.” We talk about how elite colleges fell apart, when the left becomes violent, and why valuing ideology over human lives is never a good look.

Also discussed:

* Eli’s July 4 AI song is a BOP

* Sarah tells Nancy she “looks older,” this goes over great

* We knew we’d made it on YouTube when …

* Commenter warns: DO NOT WATCH THIS VIDEO!!

* Eli explains how he makes his bangin’ AI songs

* Third rails and Gen Xers

* Spy Magazine!!!

* Sarah doesn’t want to make Eli the point-person on antisemitism but …

* “You suck, Bob Vylan!”

* How shockingly close boredom is to death lust

* “It goes back to the Books of the Maccabees…”

* NYC mayoral politics: “Vote for the felon or for the fedayeen.”

* The bill has come due for radical academics

* Does Bernadine Dohrn deserve eternal contempt? Let’s discuss!

* “Who is Menachem Begin?”

* What young actor should play Ted Bundy?

* Sarah has a FOURTH OF JULY SURPRISE!

Plus, heroes of the Texas floods, a Monica Lewinsky theory from the Middle East, Sarah falls asleep listening to serial killer narratives, and much more!

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You can listen to Eli’s entire July 4 episode, but if you want to choke up and hear Eli’s bangin’ “If You Don’t Leave (We Gonna Fight),” start here (47:49)

Dan Savage: What better person to explain the mess that is the P Diddy trial? The “Savage Love” columnist/podcaster chats with Sarah and Nancy about the hip-hop mogul’s fetishes, OCD kinksters, the troubling statute of limitations on domestic abuse, and the dangerous elasticity of the term “sex trafficking.” This one is fascinating, fraught, and taught us a lot!

Also discussed:

* “It’s not RICO, it’s FREAK-O!”

* Dan stans Steve & Eydie

* Sarah is a little cinnamon, Nancy’s straight-up vanilla

* White parties started in gay culture?

* “A moment of silence for the staff of these hotels…”

* Clive Owens gets swapped with Clive Davis in a WILD WAY

* “There’s something Caligula about Combs …”

* It’s all about the glisten

* “Sex always wins.”

* Hotwifing??

* “I got cheated on, YAHTZEE!”

* “Pity sex is not rape”

* Men find their kinks at 15, women at 35

* Very tricky: Consent versus coercion

* “Good giving and game” might needs some corrections/clarifications

* The case for decriminalization of sex work

* The moral panic of “sex trafficking”

* The elasticity of the word “rape”

Plus, some (qualified) props for Monica Lewinsky, Sarah pouts because Nancy’s going on a date with another Sarah, New Orleans cops know all the lyrics to "Fairytale of New York,” and much more!