Today Laura and Kevin speak with Daniel Gold, Principal in Forensics and the eDiscovery Managed Services Leader for BDO. We talk about his origin story from law to legal tech leader. We talk about Athenagy and AI's impact on the industry. We discuss the shrinking of the billable hour, differentiating true AI from traditional keyword searching and myths vs. reality in legal tech.

Daniel is the Principal in Forensics and the eDiscovery Managed Services Leader. He is the creator of BDO's Athenagy, the only patent pending business intelligence solution in the world that created a Common Data Model and data driven insights fueled by both RelativityOne and Microsoft Purview eDiscovery.

Daniel has over 20 years of experience in the legal space. As a practicing lawyer, Daniel quickly identified that by appropriately harnessing new forms of legal technology, both lawyers and legal professionals could be vastly more productive and effective. This realization led Daniel to the legal service provider space and with it, came years of success at consulting with some of the largest corporate law departments and law firms across the country. Daniel’s experience in e-discovery technical consulting, consultative selling, as well as leading a national operations team for an IT managed services company has enabled him to provide a comprehensive approach to how legal professionals can leverage technology to create a collaborative and dynamic approach to e-discovery. Daniel’s passion for managed services has made him a known thought leader in e-discovery.

Today Laura and Kevin speak with Simon Chen, the founder and CEO of Eight Black. We talk about the security and transportation industries. We talk about the Paris Olympics and its challenges. We also discuss the Trump shooting attempt and how the Secret Service responded. We get into tech's impact on security, ongoing cyber threats, Jason Bourne, the Taken movies and more!

Simon Chen, the founder and CEO of Eight Black, brings a wealth of experience and expertise to the security and transportation industries. Originally from Australia, Simon has lived in Colorado for the past eleven years. Prior to moving to the United States, he and his family were based in Singapore, giving him a rich international background. With over 20 years of consulting experience with technology companies across Asia Pacific and the US, Simon has held several senior management positions in large multinationals. Simon has a strong background in advanced driver training, having taught for 15 years at Australia’s largest and most respected Advanced Driver Training company. His motto, "safety before schedule," is evident in the impeccable safety standards of the Eight Black fleet. Additionally, Simon spent 8 years in the Australian military (Army), and he now leads Eight Black's Security and Executive Protection division, collaborating with some of the most talented security professionals in the world. Since founding Eight Black eight years ago with just one car, Simon has grown the business significantly while maintaining his passion for contributing to the ground transportation and security industries. Eight Black now provides bespoke security and transportation solutions worldwide, ensuring clients' journeys are secure, comfortable, and seamless, whether they are traveling from Africa to Paris or anywhere in between.

Today Kevin and Laura speak with Chris Bradbury a serial entrepreneur with an amazing life story. We focus on how to fail as an entrepreneur and how to get back in the game. Chris takes us through his numerous ventures from cutting grass, to building a video game, to selling cars, to selling drugs, to doing computer repair, to running an energy site, even being a politician and then to real estate and finally to contracting with the US Postal Service. Chris explains that mindset about failure matters most for whether an entrepreneur gets back to it or gives up. Chris is the living embodiment of the Rocky Balboa speech on taking your lumps and moving forward. This is a pod you don't want to miss!