In this episode, Hutch and Len talk about recent alignment research conducted on frontier AI systems. This includes discussing recent incidents in the news, as well as discussing contents of the recent Claude 4 system card released by Anthropic.

Links:
- Learning to code is as valuable (in terms of job prospects) as getting a face tattoo (https://futurism.com/risk-expert-learn-to-code-face-tattoo)
- Elon Musk concerned that reality has infiltrated Grok (https://futurism.com/elon-musk-infilitrated-grok-ai)
- Israel-Iran conflict unleashes wave of AI disinformation (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0k78715enxo)
- OpenAI o3 Model Refuses to Shutdown (https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/29/openai_model_modifies_shutdown_script/)
- OpenAI o3 and o4-mini System Card (https://openai.com/index/o3-o4-mini-system-card/)
- Anthropic Claude 4 System Card (https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/6be99a52cb68eb70eb9572b4cafad13df32ed995.pdf)
- Is AI Apocalypse Inevitable? - Tristan Harris (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86k8N4YsA7c)

In this episode, Len and Hutch speak with Ted Harrington about the mindset of hackers, and how this mindset is useful -- both in tech and more broadly in life. Ted is an executive partner at ISE (Independent Security Evaluators), one of the founders of IoT Village at DEFCON (and other information security conferences), the is the author of the best-selling book "Hackable: How to do Application Security Right", and the author of the upcoming book "Inner Hacker".
Website - https://www.tedharrington.com/
Hackable Link - https://www.amazon.com/Hackable-How-A...
Join the waitlist for Inner Hacker - https://www.tedharrington.com/books

In this episode, Hutch and Len are joined by Kyle Gililland—a senior technology and cybersecurity leader who is also an attorney. Kyle brings his unique blend of technical and legal expertise to explore the intellectual property challenges emerging in the age of generative AI. The conversation dives into copyright issues, the fair use doctrine, and the potential implications these legal frameworks could have on the future development and regulation of AI.