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Elle Billing and Ricki Cummings discuss their recent experiences and creative work, using this episode to announce their collaborative project: Ricki talks about her new book-length poem, "The Failure Experiment," and Elle reveals her new series of paintings inspired by Ricki’s queer cyberpunk poetry and her own personal experiences of chronic illness. As they grapple with the current political climate, putting finishing touches on their work, they emphasize the importance of patience and trusting the creative process. “The Failure Experiment” drops on March 21, 2025.

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