WE'RE BACK! After a lengthy hiatus, Kelly Rogers Flynt and Loyd McIntosh are back with a new episode of The Rough Draft. With the recent release of the new Bob Dylan biopic "A Complete Unknown," Kelly and Loyd thought it would be fun to discuss song lyrics in order to answer a serious question: are song lyrics literature.

Also, in the Word Play segment, Loyd and Kelly discuss how to use the word "actually" without sounding like a pompous know-it-all, and, of course, we give our reading recommendations. We promise not to take 4 months off ever again!

Kelly's Recommendation

Connie: A Memoir, by Connie Chung

Loyd's Recommendation

Esses Magazine, a magazine covering the culture and passion of Grand Prix Racing.

In this episode of The Rough Draft: A Writing Podcast, Kelly and Loyd chat with noted freelance journalist Liz Garone. Liz contributes regularly to The Wall Street Journal, Time, The Washington Post, and other prominent news outlets, and shares her journey to becoming an in-demand, full-time freelance writer. Also, Kelly laments the loss of literary references in regular language and Loyd takes aim at the word “sadly.”

Kelly Recommendation

The Forever War, by Joe Haldeman

Loyd’s Recommendation:

No Way To Treat A First Lady, by Christopher Buckley

On this episode of The Rough Draft, Kelly and Loyd discuss the state of print publishing, especially magazines. Slick magazines hold a special place in their hearts, and even though the zine biz has taken it on the chin in recent years, they are happy to report that magazines — printed on actual paper — appear to be making a comeback.

Also, in the Wordplay segment, Kelly discusses the various forms of the Latin root “locutio” and Loyd shares his appreciation of a-guy-walks-into-a-bar jokes. (Note from Loyd: If you have a good bar joke, send it to me at theroughdraftthewritingpodcast@gmail.com, the longest email address on earth).

Kelly’s Book Recommendation

The Warmth of Other Suns: The Epic Story of America's Great Migration, by Isabel Wilkerson

Loyd’s Book Recommendation

Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game, by Michael Lewis