On this episode of Lunch With Norm, Norm sits down with Liz Saunders, the founder of Fluencer Fruit, to uncover what brands get wrong about influencer marketing and what actually drives results in 2025.

Liz breaks down how she helps eCommerce brands build real relationships with creators, why short-term UGC deals fall flat, and how to scale influencer partnerships with data, not guesswork. You’ll also hear how Fluencer Fruit uses first-party performance data to match brands with the right TikTok and Amazon creators. If you’re a brand owner tired of chasing virality and ready to build influencer systems that convert, this one’s for you.

You’ll learn:

- How to build long-term influencer partnerships

- Why most brands fail at creator outreach

- How Fluencer Fruit uses data to match brands and creators

- The difference between paid UGC and real influence

- How to set up systems for scalable, trackable influencer growth

Timestamps

00:00 – Why Content Still Drives Sales

03:05 – Smart Branding Tips for Amazon Sellers

07:01 – How to Find the Right Creator

10:20 – Boosting Brand Awareness with UGC

13:05 – Why Mid-Size Creators Perform Best

15:54 – Getting Influencers to Engage

19:20 – What Makes a Quality Influencer

22:10 – How Commission Stacking Works

25:48 – Sponsored by Sellerboard

29:06 – Using Creator Connection for Growth

32:03 – What Motivates Creators to Launch

35:58 – Dealing With Cease & Desist Orders

39:32 – Do Influencer Videos Still Work?

43:38 – Increasing Customer Touchpoints

47:36 – How Long Does Success Take?

51:22 – Final Thoughts with Liz Saunders

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