Ruth (SX/SO 9w1 973) joins us for a luminous and radical exploration of the Sexual 9's longing for union — with God, with others, and, ultimately, with herself. From an early age, Ruth’s life was shaped by profound mystical experiences: claiming Jesus at three, and at nine, encountering a vision of him entering her body — not metaphorically, but viscerally, as a wave of physical love. These moments left an imprint, becoming the compass by which she navigated the world — always reaching for a love that could hold her entire being. We explore how this early spiritual intensity tethered her to external sources of nourishment — church, relationships, ideals — while a deeper hunger for selfhood remained dormant, waiting to be reclaimed. Her story takes a sharp turn in her late 30s, when a “rude awakening” forced her to prioritize self-care and embodiment. What unfolds is a quiet revolution: the shift from merging to individuation, from numbing to sensation, from floating in spirit to landing in body.

Google Doc containing all of Ruth’s poems, art, and links; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_HCMlPkNOTMyt87PAmhI36jPTIIR71PaTxFw6oYDa5A/edit?usp=sharing


LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram


TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

03:20 - Unburdening the self from a narrative arch

13:07 - Self-preservation blind externalizing the body through the church

30:57 - Abandoning will and choice in areas of life

34:59 - Sexual dominant; ecstatic states causing self-abandonment

45:55 - ‘Go find your mountain’; stepping into the world with confidence

50:44 - Questioning faith, ‘the fall’ to Earth and becoming a person

1:00:50 - Building a tolerance to regulating stress

1:11:44 - Connecting with the mundane self-preservation independently

1:21:28 - Understanding the natural rhythms and life force of the body

1:39:16 - Outro


CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/
Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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Anna Palumbo (SO/SP 9w8 937) returns for a second conversation—this time reflecting on the shifts she's experienced since our last recording. We begin with a live performance of her original song Wings for the Heart, a piece that emerged in the wake of personal rupture and now stands as both witness and balm. What follows is a layered exploration of emotional fragmentation, the disorienting effects of internal and external turbulence, and the slow, deliberate work of reweaving oneself from the inside out. Anna speaks candidly about a transformative road trip with her family that cracked something open—making space for parts of herself she’d long kept at bay. We discuss the cost of emotional suppression, the subtle tensions in relational dynamics, and the grounded power that comes from living with greater authenticity. What emerges is the portrait of a Nine learning to inhabit her full aliveness, not by transcending conflict but by letting all the pieces have a seat at the table.

LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram


TIMESTAMPS

0:00 - Intro

7:31 - Following the bird song, the healing power of music, Performance of 'Wings for the Heart'

16:20 - Embracing vulnerability in art, heart receiving, a 9 in her element

20:36 - 9s line to 3, saturating a space with energy, showing up as 'I Am'

23:10 - Reflections since the previous interview, coping between internal and external world, "competency cringe"

28:03 - Noticing 'numbness' in presence, self-location versus fragmented states, 'needing time to arrive'

36:03 - Incongruences with life force, realignment with self by taking on a solid form, family road trip

47:43 - Not having a backlog of emotions or rage, 'bigness' of 9, transforming the need to manage oneself

52:34 - Embracing conflict and personal sovereignty, living in the space between myself and others

55:28 - Journaling/posting during travel leads to finding inner voice and framing of experience, feeling at home in my world

61:15 - Parenting with presence and clarity, "I'm more than just 'mom'", allowing struggles to exist in a child's life

01:08:30 - Integration of different threads of self, congruence within relationships

01:11:43 - Surrendering to self-authenticity, attachment dynamics shifting, a new energetic body

01:23:04 - Outro

CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine
Edited by Kristen Oberly
Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay
Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/
Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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Bjarne is an SO/SP 8w9 with 3w2 and 6w7 fixes, though in this episode, he questions whether he might be a core Six. What emerges regardless is a portrait of a powerful, self-directed psyche shaped by an early awareness of exploitation, corruption, the failure of collective systems to protect the dignity of life. From political dreams as a child to his drive to awaken others to their own strength, Bjarne speaks about what it means to live with a sense of self-respect and moral propulsion. We talk about betrayal and its lasting scar: how one relational rupture cost him his emotional faith in others, replacing it with vigilance and paranoia. We also explore the engine behind his ambition, his disdain for comfort zones, and the sadness he feels watching others give up on their dreams. Despite his tough exterior, what drives him is a longing to ignite others into action and distribute his own fire so that others might reclaim their agency. This is a conversation about will, self-respect, the cost of vigilance, and the restless drive to feel truly alive.

LINKS

Learn at The Enneagram School

https://theenneagramschool.com/

Intro Course

https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course

Get Typed

https://www.enneagrammer.com/

Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams)

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994

House of Enneagram

https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

02:33 - What it means to ‘be excited’, decided which emotions are experienced

10:19 - Cut off from vulnerability causes inauthentic connection with others; the significance of self-betrayal

12:57 - Bjarne’s core 6 theory; ruling with anxiety. Clarifying ‘being taken advantage of’

15:23 - Corruption, weakness, and politics

16:52 - An instinctual repulsion over disrespect of life

25:31 - Social 8 helping others see their power, recognizing individual impact can be a way of carrying on legacy

29:12 - Personal peeve on people asking for reassurance

32:44 - Taking risks, not being a slave to the system

40:27 - Self-actualization and potential; 836 trifix outlook of ‘this is what you have, this is what you work with’

42:03 - Emotional impacts and processing of being betrayed

53:15 - The personal importance and societal use of ‘diplomacy’

59:08 - 8’s boundlessness of motivation and reserves of energy

1:07:12 - ‘Vivifying’ the collective, channeling energy into others’ potential

1:17:25 - Outro

CREDITS

Interview by Josh Lavine

Edited by Kristen Oberly

Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay

Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/

Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/

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