Why the Real Computer Revolution Never Happened | Alan Kay & Anjan Katta

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Why the Real Computer Revolution Never Happened | Alan Kay & Anjan Katta

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I'm thrilled to share this very special episode of The Generalist—one I've been looking forward to for a long time. Today, we tackle one of the most urgent questions of our time: What should computing look like in the age of AI?I'm joined by two extraordinary guests: Alan Kay, a pioneer of modern computing whose vision helped shape the personal computer revolution, and Anjan Katta, founder of Daylight, who's building a radically reimagined personal computer designed for deep thinking in our AI-saturated world. This conversation has been months in the making, and I couldn't be more excited to bring these two brilliant minds together.We explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping our relationship with computers, whether current computing paradigms serve us well as AI becomes ubiquitous, and what new models of human-computer interaction we might need to thrive alongside intelligent machines.This is a conversation about reclaiming agency in an age of algorithms—and imagining computing tools that amplify human intelligence rather than replace it. I think you're going to love it.We explore:• Why Alan believes the "computer revolution" commercialized in the wrong direction, missing the deeper humanistic vision of early computing pioneers• How the structure of information, from pagination to platforms, shapes the way we think• How Daylight is creating a reading and writing-focused device that helps access our "prefrontal cortex" rather than our "lizard brain"• The concept of a magical medium, and how computing might help us become our best selves• Why Marshall McLuhan's media theories predicted our current technological predicament decades before it happened• The critical difference between intelligence and wisdom in computing systems, and why wisdom should be our focus• How thoughtful constraints in computing design can lead to better thinking and more meaningful interaction• The urgency of developing systems thinking in a world facing complex challenges• And much more—Thank you to the partners who make this possibleAugment Code: AI coding assistant that pro engineering teams love.Brex: The banking solution for startups.Generalist+: Essential intelligence for modern investors and technologists.—Timestamps(00:00) Intro(05:17) The computer revolution we never got (and what we got instead)(11:45) The value of writing and the impact of the printing press(21:34) The addition of pagination and the evolution of arguments(24:53) Why Anjan calls his idealized version of computing a magical medium(29:00) Alan’s work at PARC and early conceptions of personal computing(32:02) Moore’s Law and the impact of reality TV(37:41) How Bob Barton and Marshall McLuhan influenced Alan(42:31) The problem with labels and what Anjan found surprising about Alan(46:02) How much help is too much help?(48:18) Marvin Minsky's military robot story and the history of misunderstanding AGI(51:50) What we need help with and why wisdom is hard to scale(54:19) How Daylight approaches computing with humility and thoughtful constraints(59:13) Alan's reflections on the Dynabook concept and personal computing vision(01:01:11) The timeline of building Daylight and the idealism behind the project(01:03:14) The urgent need for different thinking(01:06:40) A second shot at rebuilding computing from the ground up(01:11:57) Final meditations—Follow Alan KayLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-kay-12a627b/Quora: https://www.quora.com/profile/Alan-Kay-11—Follow Anjan KattaLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anjan-katta-250b232b4/X: https://x.com/anjankatta—Resources and episode mentions: https://www.generalist.com/p/why-the-real-computer-revolution-never-happened—Production and marketing by penname.co. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email jordan@penname.co.