TDLR: 10 episodes in and we are going full uncut conversation with Danilo Leal. One of the magician Design Engineers working on the Zed code editor.

“I'll be making a jingle”

“We prototype everything in React before Rust”

• Danilo Leal represents a new breed of designer and engineer.
• The role of design is becoming more approachable with technology.
• AI is changing the landscape of coding and design.
• Prototyping in React allows for rapid iteration and testing.
• Debugging in Zed involves traditional methods and new tools.
• Collaboration is key in modern development environments.
• The future of coding may involve multiple agents working in parallel.
• AI can enhance workflows but requires careful context management.
• The editor's role is evolving with the integration of AI tools.
• Design processes are becoming more integrated with coding practices.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Setup
02:38 Meeting Danilo Leal: Background and Career
05:33 The Evolution of Design and Engineering
08:17 Transitioning to Material UI
11:13 The Role of AI in Design
14:10 Prototyping and Development Process
16:58 The Future of Design and Technology
28:28 The Comfort of Familiarity in Development
29:18 Debugging Strategies in Zed
30:09 Building Tools and Prototyping in Zed
33:13 The Evolution of GPUI and Design Process
35:16 Future of GPUI and General Purpose Applications
38:11 AI's Role in Enhancing Workflow
40:44 Parallelization and Task Management in Development
43:47 The Future of Editors and Asynchronous Tasks
48:32 The Role of Code in the Age of AI
54:28 Integrating Context and Knowledge in Codebases

TLDR

• Matt caught whitebait for dinner during his outdoor adventures.
• Wing foiling is a new sport gaining popularity.
• Sub agents are necessary for exploring context windows in AI.
• A2A and MCP servers are the future of AI integration.
• AI-assisted code review can streamline the development process.
• Prompting techniques are evolving and require careful consideration.
• Living in the future means adapting to rapid technological changes.
• Time zones can create unexpected challenges in programming.
• The importance of personalized AI tooling is growing.
• Understanding the intricacies of AI models is crucial for effective use.

Chapters

00:00 Cactus Conversations and Personal Anecdotes
01:00 Fishing Adventures and Culinary Delights
03:32 Water Sports and Outdoor Activities
06:16 Exploring Sub-Agents and Context Management
08:03 A2A Protocols and Future of Agent Interactions
10:54 Challenges with Claude Code and Testing Workflows
13:17 Sub-Agents: Benefits and Limitations
17:59 Navigating Code Actions and Permissions
20:21 Building Personalized AI Tools for Code Review
24:05 Challenges in Prompt Writing and Feedback Loops
30:11 Innovations in UI Rendering and Client-Server Interaction
37:12 The Future of Advertising and Technology
39:24 Living in the Future: Startup Ambitions
40:36 Anticipating Future Needs in Technology
42:57 The Role of Agents and Micro Payments
45:25 The Art of Prompting AI
49:34 The Future of Work and Communication
51:47 Time Zones and Programming Challenges

News
The pod has twitter/x - https://x.com/badagentpod
Wil’s new brand - tritanclub.com

Links

Boris Tane post on Cloudflare DOs + Drizzle - https://boristane.com/blog/durable-objects-database-per-user/

Experience with Claude Code - https://sankalp.bearblog.dev/my-claude-code-experience-after-2-weeks-of-usage/

Focus on inputs not outputs: https://john-rush.com/posts/ai-20250701.html

Emmett Shear’s Tweet Thread on AI use and speed - https://x.com/eshear/status/1944867426635800865

TLDR

• The experience level of developers affects their efficiency with AI tools.
• Proficiency in using AI coding agents requires practice and skill.
• Co-locating tests with code can improve the development process.
• Strict linting rules are essential for maintaining code quality.
• Different coding tasks require different approaches to AI assistance.
• The evolution of coding practices is influenced by new technologies.
• Understanding the limitations of AI tools is crucial for effective use.
• Developers need to adapt to new tools and workflows continuously.
• The future of development will likely involve more AI integration. Claude Code/TUI offers flexibility for running various applications.
• The evolution of coding agents is crucial for developers.
• Metrics of success in AI should focus on efficiency and user satisfaction.
• AI models should balance between asking questions and executing tasks.
• Personal experiences shape our understanding of AI tools.
• Innovations in coding tools can significantly enhance productivity.
• The future of AI involves deeper human interaction and understanding.
• Celebrating milestones is important for motivation and growth.
• Development workflows are being transformed by AI capabilities.
• Continuous learning and adaptation are key in the tech industry.

“UI is so over”

“If all humans were perfect robots”

"I just got stoned and did open source."

"I rewrote their entire CLI."

Sunil Pai's Backstory and Career Journey from India to London

The Evolution of React and Sunil's Contributions

Transition to Cloudflare and the Concept of Durable Objects

Building PartyKit and Its Impact

The Role of AI Agents and Their Integration

Challenges and Opportunities in the Tech Landscape

Exploring Durable Objects in Cloudflare

Challenges of Real-Time Applications

Local First Programming vs. Durable Objects

The Simplicity of Pull-Based Models

AI and the Future of Coding

AI's Impact on Professions

The Future of AI and AGI

Innovations in Cloudflare's Sandbox

The Concept of Self-Building Applications

LLMs are a mirror of an operators skill - https://ghuntley.com/mirrors/
Sunil's blog - https://sunilpai.dev/

"Bullish on claude code"

"I found Soham in our ATS"

"these things have been like RLHF to fuck"

Vibe Tunnel - https://vibetunnel.sh/

Armin Ronacher on Simon Willison’s blog - https://simonwillison.net/tags/armin-ronacher/

Amp by Sourcegraph - https://ampcode.com/

• Matt is finalizing his event for AI Demo Days.
• Juliette completed a challenging marathon with significant elevation.
• The tech news cycle is currently nuanced and interesting.
• Soham's job application saga has sparked widespread discussion.
• Roenacher's insights on Claude Code are valuable for developers.
• Git work trees can be beneficial but have their challenges.
• Environment variables can complicate development processes.
• Context engineering is crucial for effective AI interactions.
• Talent poaching is rampant in the tech industry right now.
• The competitive landscape allows companies to attract top talent easily. Cursor is refining its features to improve user experience.
• The competition between AWS and Cloudflare shapes developer tools.
• Claude Code is designed to work closely with AI models.
• AI can enhance productivity but requires careful oversight.
• Vibe Tunnel offers a novel way to manage terminal sessions.
• MCP servers need to return appropriate data for voice agents.
• Quality checks are essential for AI-generated code.
• Developers should prioritize and start small when building tools.
• The integration of tools should be user-driven, not server-driven.
• The evolution of MCP servers reflects the changing landscape of AI development.

"Context window… kaboom"

"Am I gonna get cancelled for this"

"United is not a good airline"

"Just make more money."

Takeaways

Integrations bring people together in meaningful ways.
Video podcasts are gaining popularity among Gen Z audiences.
Editing podcasts can be time-consuming but rewarding.
Family events can provide a refreshing break from work.
Cloudflare Containers offer new possibilities for developers.
Pricing strategies in cloud services can impact user choices.
AI integrations can simplify complex API interactions.
Work off-sites can enhance team bonding and productivity.
Travel experiences can shape preferences for airlines and destinations.
Effective communication is key in team dynamics.

Summary

In this conversation, Matt Carey and Wilhelm Klopp discuss various topics ranging from the importance of integrations in technology and podcasting trends to personal updates about family events and travel experiences. They delve into the technical aspects of Cloudflare Containers and the Claude Code SDK, exploring their implications for developers and AI integrations. The discussion also touches on the dynamics of work off-sites and the impact of travel on airline preferences, emphasizing the importance of effective communication and team bonding.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Admin Chit-Chat
02:55 Exploring Integrations and Podcast Formats
05:50 Cloudflare Containers and Their Use Cases
08:43 Cold Starts and Performance Considerations
11:41 Pricing and Competitive Landscape of Cloud Services
14:41 Integrations and AI Tools Development
17:38 Claude Code SDK and Future Developments
26:10 Navigating API Challenges
27:47 Customizing Tool Calls for Integration
28:56 The Future of API Integration
30:09 Harnessing the Power of Code SDKs
33:49 The Importance of Harnesses in Development
34:54 Building Better Tools with Specifications
37:11 The Role of Type Safety in Code Generation
40:14 Exploring the AISDK and Its Benefits
42:16 Reflections on Work Off-Sites
48:38 Travel Experiences and Airline Preferences

"Cortex podcast is God tier"

"Claude Code is the best devtool this year"
"gotta structure your codebase for AI"

Stuff we talked about:

Cortex podcast - https://www.relay.fm/cortex

Claude Code in Github - https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code-action

Shippie - https://github.com/mattzcarey/shippie

Amp - https://sourcegraph.com/amp
Claude Code Github action system prompt - https://gist.github.com/mattzcarey/dd52a8e1df710c98b44072de46dcc09a

cursor-rules-to-claude - https://github.com/StackOneHQ/cursor-rules-to-claude

Gitlip - https://www.gitlip.com/

Durable Object file system (DOFS) - https://www.npmjs.com/package/dofs

Muppet (MCP) - https://www.muppet.dev/docs

Supermemory MCP blog - https://supermemory.ai/blog/the-ux-and-technicalities-of-awesome-mcps/

Zapier Agents - https://zapier.com/agents

SPARQL - https://www.ontotext.com/knowledgehub/fundamentals/what-is-sparql/

Vibe-rules - https://www.npmjs.com/package/vibe-rules

Simple Poll - https://simplepoll.rocks/
Kolo - https://kolo.app/

TLDR:

• Matt watched Yellowstone late at night and got hyped.
• Meta's acquisition of Scale raises questions about data distribution.
• Acquisitions in tech often lead to speculation and drama.
• Cortex podcast is highly recommended for productivity insights.
• Networking events can introduce you to new circles of people.
• Shippie has introduced new features like subagents.
• Subagents allow for parallel processing in coding tasks.
• Claude Code integration with GitHub simplifies development workflows.
• Documentation should include key concepts for better understanding.
• A product for coding agents should focus on code structure and tooling.

"We're always live."

"I think evals are so hard."

"AI engineering is dead."

• Stag do experiences can lead to unexpected personal updates.
• Consumer behavior in Las Vegas highlights the allure of gambling despite its downsides.
• Podcasting can encompass news, guest interviews, and personal stories.
• Traveling to Peru offers breathtaking experiences like hiking Machu Picchu.
• AI model releases are frequent and can impact development workflows.
• AI agents face challenges in complex coding tasks.
• New tech gadgets like the Garmin Tactics watch enhance outdoor activities.
• Fitness apps often lack user-friendly features for multi-sport activities.
• Conferences provide valuable networking opportunities in the tech industry.
• Deep research can uncover useful programming techniques and tools.

AI Engineering is Dead? - Louis from Bloop.ai

Shippie - autonomous code review and QA
thinkynote.com - a word processor with AI
SimplePoll - the easiest way to do polls on Slack
Kolo - useful things with runtime data in python