On this episode of Lunch With Norm, Norm sits down with Liz Saunders, the founder of Fluencer Fruit, to uncover what brands get wrong about influencer marketing and what actually drives results in 2025.

Liz breaks down how she helps eCommerce brands build real relationships with creators, why short-term UGC deals fall flat, and how to scale influencer partnerships with data, not guesswork. You’ll also hear how Fluencer Fruit uses first-party performance data to match brands with the right TikTok and Amazon creators. If you’re a brand owner tired of chasing virality and ready to build influencer systems that convert, this one’s for you.

You’ll learn:

- How to build long-term influencer partnerships

- Why most brands fail at creator outreach

- How Fluencer Fruit uses data to match brands and creators

- The difference between paid UGC and real influence

- How to set up systems for scalable, trackable influencer growth

Timestamps

00:00 – Why Content Still Drives Sales

03:05 – Smart Branding Tips for Amazon Sellers

07:01 – How to Find the Right Creator

10:20 – Boosting Brand Awareness with UGC

13:05 – Why Mid-Size Creators Perform Best

15:54 – Getting Influencers to Engage

19:20 – What Makes a Quality Influencer

22:10 – How Commission Stacking Works

25:48 – Sponsored by Sellerboard

29:06 – Using Creator Connection for Growth

32:03 – What Motivates Creators to Launch

35:58 – Dealing With Cease & Desist Orders

39:32 – Do Influencer Videos Still Work?

43:38 – Increasing Customer Touchpoints

47:36 – How Long Does Success Take?

51:22 – Final Thoughts with Liz Saunders

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This episode is brought to you by Flat World Network: Hey Amazon sellers, Norm here! I’ve just launched my new agency, Flat World Network. If your listings aren’t converting or your sales have hit a ceiling, you’re not alone. We help sellers unlock 30% more Amazon sales in just 90 days, using real strategies that work across listings, ads, and backend setup.

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In this episode of Lunch With Norm, we sit down with Kashif Zafar, a leading voice in AI automation and eCommerce strategy, to explore how AI agents are revolutionizing the way Amazon sellers operate in 2025.

Kashif shares real-world use cases of deploying AI agents to handle everything from customer service and inventory planning to ad optimization and keyword strategy — giving sellers back their time while increasing profit margins. You’ll hear how smart sellers are no longer treating AI as just another tool — they’re building systems that think, adapt, and scale with their business.

Kashif breaks down the mindset shift required to win in today’s AI-driven landscape, how to delegate decision-making to machines without losing control, and the major mistakes sellers are still making with automation. This isn’t just about ChatGPT — it’s about intelligent systems that run your backend, protect your margins, and help you scale faster than ever before.

If you're still trying to keep up with manual tasks, inconsistent VA teams, or outdated SOPs, this episode will show you what’s possible when you leverage next-generation AI tools built for Amazon sellers.

Learn what’s working now, what’s coming next, and how to future-proof your business before it’s too late. Whether you're an FBA seller, DTC brand, or eCommerce agency, this conversation is packed with high-level insights, tools, and tactical ideas you can implement today.

Timestamps

00:00 – Amazon Ads Are Changing

02:37 – AI Innovation for Sellers

05:30 – AI as Digital Teammate

09:15 – Smart Brands Using AI

11:58 – AI Agents at Gentex

14:38 – How Agents Are Built

17:53 – Life as an AI Founder

20:46 – GenAI Use Cases

24:03 – Retailers Adopting AI

27:45 – Future of AI Agents

30:50 – Testing AI Tools

35:23 – Tool Selection Tips

40:35 – AI Image Optimization

43:58 – AI & Amazon Flywheel

47:13 – Live Audience Questions

50:01 – Getting Started With AI

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This episode is brought to you by Flat World Network:

Hey Amazon sellers, Norm here! I’ve just launched my new agency, Flat World Network. If your listings aren’t converting or your sales have hit a ceiling, you’re not alone. We help sellers unlock 30% more Amazon sales in just 90 days, using real strategies that work across listings, ads, and backend setup.

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Flat World Network - https://flatworldnetwork.com/

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In this episode of Lunch With Norm, conversion strategist Matt Kostan shares how a single main image change led to a $19,000 revenue boost — and why most Amazon sellers are leaving money on the table by treating their images like an afterthought.

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Our guest is a serial entrepreneur, speaker and brand creator. He’s created multiple 7 figure brands and launched 8 successful Kickstarter projects all based on the power of shopper feedback. His work has been featured in Forbes, Business Insider and Entrepreneur.

Matt breaks down:

- His 5-step formula for creating high-converting Amazon images

- The psychology behind scroll-stopping thumbnails

- A/B testing tools like ProductPinion and PickFu

- Why copywriters and designers need to work together

- Common listing mistakes sellers make in 2025

Timestamps

00:00 – How AI Is Transforming Amazon Ads in 2025

02:49 – Why ProductPinion Is a Game-Changer for Listing Optimization

05:47 –  Main Image Testing

09:58 – The Free Image Check Tool Every Seller Should Use

13:10 – What Makes Shoppers Click

17:29 – How GenSpark Is Fueling AI-Driven Content

20:17 – What 19pine.ai Can Do for Amazon Sellers Right Now

23:02 – Next Level Pixeling App

29:23 – Emailing US vs EU

32:09 – Where AI Tools Are Headed

35:11 – What Airlines Can Teach Us About Amazon Marketing

38:17 – Predicting the Future of Online Shopping & Conversion

40:46 – Dorian’s New App That Could Replace Your Tool Stack

44:50 – The Best Tool for Winning Amazon Images

47:41 – How to Connect with Matt + Free Resources

How to build trust and conversions through subtle design changes If you're selling on Amazon and want to increase conversions without increasing ad spend, this episode is a must-watch.

👉 Perfect for Amazon sellers, DTC brands, and listing optimization agencies.

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This episode is brought to you by Flat World Network: Hey Amazon sellers, Norm here! I’ve just launched my new agency, Flat World Network. If your listings aren’t converting or your sales have hit a ceiling, you’re not alone. We help sellers unlock 30% more Amazon sales in just 90 days, using real strategies that work across listings, ads, and backend setup.

💥 Get your FREE Amazon Audit - https://flatworldnetwork.com/ ______________________________________

Sponsors:

Sellerboard - https://sellerboard.com/?p=02091

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Flat World Network - https://flatworldnetwork.com/ HONU Worldwide - https://honuworldwide.com/

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