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What happens when your ex-friend's ex-husband sends you a friend request? Does Girl Code have an expiration date? We're untangling the complex web of unwritten rules that guide female friendships and setting the record straight on what Girl Code really means.

The conversation kicks off with a real-life scenario that forces us to examine whether loyalty extends beyond the end of friendships. We share passionate takes on dating friends' exes (spoiler: it's a hard no), but acknowledge the gray areas that exist depending on relationship closeness and circumstances. From the infamous "90-day trial period" to distinguishing between casual dates and serious relationships, we navigate the nuanced boundaries that keep friendships intact.

Beyond romantic entanglements, Girl Code encompasses crucial safety measures like the "No Man Left Behind" policy and having emergency code systems in place. We discuss location sharing, extraction plans for uncomfortable situations, and the wingwoman duties that keep our circle protected. But we don't shy away from calling out how these principles get weaponized by mean girls hiding behind "just keeping it real" when they're actually tearing others down.

The most powerful aspect of Girl Code? Being there through thick and thin. We reflect on how major life changes like sobriety journeys reveal who your true friends are, and the beautiful synchronicity that sometimes brings friends back together after necessary time apart. Whether you're celebrating wins with solo cup wine glasses or showing up at the hospital during tough times, these are the moments that define genuine female friendship.

Ready to examine your own friendship circles? Listen in and ask yourself: Are you living by the real Girl Code or just talking about it?

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Have you ever had an app read your soul so accurately you felt personally attacked? That's exactly what happened when we dove into astrology through the Co-Star app in this unplanned but revealing episode.

What started as casual conversation about recent life changes quickly transformed into a cosmic deep dive when we began exploring our astrological profiles. The app didn't just tell us generic horoscopes—it called us out on our specific patterns, from relationship sabotage to career self-sabotage, with such precision we couldn't help but laugh (and occasionally gasp) at the accuracy.

Through our astrological explorations, we uncovered profound insights about ourselves. One of us learned about the walls built to protect against emotional vulnerability, while the other confronted tendencies to chase multiple dreams without completing any. We discussed how these patterns have shaped our approaches to love, work, and personal growth. The app even predicted specific dates for potential life changes, leaving us both skeptical yet curious enough to mark our calendars.

Perhaps most powerful was our conversation about what it means to be the "main character" in our own lives. The contrast between standing in the spotlight versus empowering others illuminated different but equally valid ways of claiming our importance in the world. These revelations felt especially meaningful as we reflected on our ongoing healing journeys and recent growth.

Whether you're an astrology enthusiast or skeptic, this episode offers a window into how external perspectives—even from an app—can sometimes reflect truths we already know but haven't fully acknowledged. Join us for laughter, vulnerability, and cosmic validation as we continue our season focused on healing and self-discovery. Follow along with our astrological journey and let us know if the stars have ever read you this accurately!

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What keeps us locked in cycles of trauma, and how do we finally break free? This raw, vulnerable conversation takes you through our parallel journeys of healing from toxic relationships and traumatic experiences.

The conversation opens with a crucial insight: toxic relationships aren't awful from day one. They start with genuine connection before gradually eroding boundaries through what we call "breadcrumbing"—offering just enough positive moments to keep you holding on through increasingly difficult times. We share our personal experiences with this pattern and the pivotal moments that finally helped us recognize and escape these dynamics.

Our discussion reveals how differently trauma can manifest in our lives. While some experiences leave obvious scars, others hide beneath the surface, emerging in unexpected ways years later. We explore how our bodies physically store trauma even when our minds try to deny it, from mysterious hip pain to the strange phenomenon of anniversary reactions. The distinction between genuinely processing grief versus just burying it emerges as a crucial theme.

The parallels in our healing journeys—from addiction recovery to setting boundaries to recognizing red flags—showcase both universal patterns and highly individual responses to trauma. We share the tools that have helped us along the way, from therapy and ketamine treatments to bodybuilding and music, revealing how creating joy amid healing is not just possible but necessary.

Take this journey with us as we navigate the messy, non-linear path of trauma recovery with honesty, occasional humor, and deep compassion for ourselves and each other. Whether you're just beginning your healing journey or well along your path, this conversation offers both validation and hope.

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The wounds we carry from childhood often define how we navigate adulthood, especially in our relationships. In this deeply personal episode, we pull back the curtain on our experiences growing up with alcoholic parents and how these early traumas shaped who we've become.

From functioning alcoholics who maintained perfect appearances while chaos reigned behind closed doors, to unpredictable substance abuse that created volatile home environments—we share the raw reality of growing up in households where adult protection was unreliable at best. The conversation reveals how these experiences created our "hyper-independent" tendencies, with both of us developing a fierce self-reliance that made asking for help nearly impossible.

We explore the painful patterns that emerged in our adult relationships, particularly with manipulative partners who recognized and exploited our vulnerabilities. One host describes the gradual erosion of self-worth through constant negative reinforcement, while the other shares how betrayal by someone close to her children created new layers of trauma for her family. Through these stories, we examine how childhood wounds make us susceptible to harmful relationships, and how recognizing these patterns is the first step toward breaking them.

The episode also touches on healing methods that have worked for us—from the structure and discipline of bodybuilding to learning how to identify red flags earlier. We discuss the delicate balance between protecting ourselves and remaining open to genuine connection, and how parenting our own children has motivated us to break generational cycles of trauma.

This conversation marks the beginning of a deeper exploration into trauma and recovery. If you've ever felt alone in your struggles with childhood wounds or toxic relationships, this episode offers validation, understanding, and a reminder that healing—while never linear—is always possible.

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Have you ever wanted to peek behind the curtain of an emerging mental health treatment that's changing lives? Step into our world as we share our raw, unfiltered experiences with ketamine therapy—recorded just hours after Heather's infusion session.

Ketamine therapy isn't just another wellness trend. This FDA-approved treatment is revolutionizing mental health care by helping people process trauma, reduce anxiety, and break free from treatment-resistant depression. We take you through our parallel journeys—Heather as she completes booster treatments and Lacey during her initial six-session protocol—offering candid insights you won't find in clinical descriptions.

From the bizarre sensation of "dissolving" to feeling like you're living inside Fantasia, we describe what dissociation actually feels like and why it's therapeutic rather than frightening. We share practical advice about setting intentions, choosing the right music (hint: skip the lyrics), and what to expect physically as your body processes the medicine. The conversation reveals surprising benefits neither of us expected, including dramatic reductions in physical inflammation and muscle tension that linger long after treatment ends.

Whether you're considering ketamine therapy for yourself, supporting someone who is, or simply curious about cutting-edge mental health treatments, this episode offers valuable perspective from two different people at different stages of the ketamine journey. Listen as we flip-flop between patient and caretaker roles, proving that healing doesn't have to be a solo journey. Ready to explore what happens when we allow our minds to access parts of ourselves we've kept hidden? Join us for this intimate look at what happens when we let go and allow healing to happen.

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We've returned for Season 3 after months apart, with both of us navigating wildly different paths from bodybuilding competitions to wedding preparations. Our separate journeys finally converge as we catch up on everything we've missed.

• Multiple trips to Florida for cheer competitions where both kids performed well and hit "zero deduction" routines
• Intense bodybuilding prep including doing cardio while watching the kids playing in the pool
• Day-of show nutrition strategies involving bags of rice, rice cakes, pancakes and almond butter
• Palm Springs bachelorette weekend coinciding with Stagecoach festival, requiring creative transportation solutions
• Being "kicked out" by another rheumatologist despite ongoing health issues and suspected Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome
• Both participating in ketamine therapy for mental health (more details in next week's episode)
• Adjusting to major life changes including quitting jobs and children becoming high school seniors
• Summer plans including hiking and spending more time together

Stay tuned for next week's episode where we'll discuss our experiences with ketamine therapy!

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Two best friends hosts Heather and Lacey accidentally create podcast magic when they hit record during their pre-show garden chat. What unfolds is a genuine glimpse into female friendship at its most authentic—unfiltered, unpredictable, and utterly relatable.

The conversation meanders through linguistic quirks (like unconsciously adopting accents from people around you) before diving into contrasting approaches to fitness and body image. Heather details her disciplined preparation for an upcoming bodybuilding competition, while Lacey humorously laments how her body "keeps the sweets and gets rid of anything of actual value" due to IBS—a refreshing counterpoint to perfectionistic health narratives.

We witness a celebration of professional growth as host Heather describes how removing "dead weight" from her life allowed her various careers to flourish simultaneously. From personal training to podcasting, spray tanning, and fitness instruction, her renaissance approach to career-building reflects the modern reality of the gig economy where professionals combine multiple passions.

Perhaps most entertaining is the unexpected discovery of "Caged Ladies," a dating website for prisoners that sparks an illuminating discussion about accountability, manipulation, and the psychology behind seeking relationships with incarcerated individuals. What begins as casual banter transforms into surprisingly insightful social commentary.

Throughout it all, authentic friendship shines brightest. The unscripted nature creates moments of surprising vulnerability, like when one host confesses, "I only yap with you"—a simple statement that perfectly encapsulates the special trust in close friendships. Enjoy this raw, unfiltered slice of friendship that reminds us all why our most treasured relationships are those where we can simply be ourselves.

Subscribe now and join us and listen back to our episode on "Secret Love Children"—it's a wild ride!

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Ever been blindsided by learning what someone really thinks about you? This raw, unfiltered episode dives into a jaw-dropping Reddit "Am I the Asshole" story that left us both stunned—a woman who overheard her boyfriend of eight years telling his friend he feels "disgusted" when he kisses her and wishes he was with someone else. Yet somehow, she's asking how to make him fall in love with her instead of walking away.

The conversation spirals into a deeper exploration of relationship red flags that many of us miss or ignore. From partners who constantly blame their exes for everything, to the slow isolation from friends and family, to those who give and withhold affection as a form of control—we break down the warning signs from our own experiences and mistakes. We discuss the fine line between showing interest in your partner's hobbies versus completely changing your personality to mirror theirs, and why constant small lies eventually create irreparable cracks in your foundation.

What makes this episode particularly powerful is our honesty about our own past relationships. We share stories about manipulative exes, the yo-yo effect of being someone's backup plan, and how trauma responses can make it harder to recognize unhealthy patterns. We challenge the cultural messaging that relationships should be difficult or that you need to "complete" each other when the truth is that the healthiest connections happen between two already-whole people who enhance each other's lives.

Whether you're recovering from heartbreak, questioning your current relationship, or trying to build better patterns for the future, this episode offers both compassionate understanding and the tough love you might need to hear. Because sometimes the most important relationship advice isn't about how to make someone love you—it's about learning when it's time to love yourself enough to walk away.

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